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		<title>By: Gold Fish</title>
		<link>http://www.alterpolitics.com/politics/ny-times-paul-krugman-supply-side-economics-creates-deficits/comment-page-1/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>Gold Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not only is supply side economics responsible for the mounting US debt, I believe it is also responsible for the ever increasing market bubble.

For example: 

Deregulation in financial market has resulted in lack of transparency, understating risk premium and the spreading of such risks increased moral hazard and undermined the mechanism of supply meeting demand. 

The 2008 housing bubble was over supply spurred on by these loose financial regulations with absolutely no regard for demand. The subsequent inability to clear the over supply at lower prices is a counter example of supply side economist&#039;s claimed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only is supply side economics responsible for the mounting US debt, I believe it is also responsible for the ever increasing market bubble.</p>
<p>For example: </p>
<p>Deregulation in financial market has resulted in lack of transparency, understating risk premium and the spreading of such risks increased moral hazard and undermined the mechanism of supply meeting demand. </p>
<p>The 2008 housing bubble was over supply spurred on by these loose financial regulations with absolutely no regard for demand. The subsequent inability to clear the over supply at lower prices is a counter example of supply side economist&#8217;s claimed.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;d have to direct your question to Nobel Prize winner in Economics Paul Krugman, at the NYTimes, as he obviously disagree with you on the best way to measure revenue trends across different administrations. 

If you get an answer from him, please share it here, as I&#039;d be curious to hear what he has to say about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d have to direct your question to Nobel Prize winner in Economics Paul Krugman, at the NYTimes, as he obviously disagree with you on the best way to measure revenue trends across different administrations. </p>
<p>If you get an answer from him, please share it here, as I&#8217;d be curious to hear what he has to say about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking at trends on log scale/values is not correct. It should not be done for this data.

Suppose you have a 3 number series:
10, 100, 800
The difference between the fist 2 numbers is 90 (diff 10, 100)
The difference between the last 2 number is 700 (diff 100, 800)
Clearly there is bigger difference between the last 2 numbers than the first 2 numbers in the series.

Now let&#039;s take the log values of the 3 number series from above:
1, 2, 2.9
Now as you can see the opposite has occurred. The difference between the first 2 numbers is now larger than the last 2 numbers in the series.

By taking the log values, you have shrunk the divergence of the data.
Log scale should be used to show trends for exponential growth or exponential decay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at trends on log scale/values is not correct. It should not be done for this data.</p>
<p>Suppose you have a 3 number series:<br />
10, 100, 800<br />
The difference between the fist 2 numbers is 90 (diff 10, 100)<br />
The difference between the last 2 number is 700 (diff 100, 800)<br />
Clearly there is bigger difference between the last 2 numbers than the first 2 numbers in the series.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s take the log values of the 3 number series from above:<br />
1, 2, 2.9<br />
Now as you can see the opposite has occurred. The difference between the first 2 numbers is now larger than the last 2 numbers in the series.</p>
<p>By taking the log values, you have shrunk the divergence of the data.<br />
Log scale should be used to show trends for exponential growth or exponential decay.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Paul Krugman, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/carter-reagan-revenue/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt; of the graph:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve plotted the log, because it’s easier to look at trends:&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Paul Krugman, the <a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/carter-reagan-revenue/" rel="nofollow">source</a> of the graph:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve plotted the log, because it’s easier to look at trends:</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is the GDP log values being used here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the GDP log values being used here?</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SF,
Great points. The political spectrum has moved so far to the right that the Dems today look like Republicans back in the 80s.  Here&#039;s a good &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9t2YErecWg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;video&lt;/a&gt; by Cenk of TYT (filling in for Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC) on the rightward movement of both parties.

BTW, I liked your Glenn Beck article @ &lt;a href=&quot;http://thedonkeyedge.com/2010/07/15/beck-u-2-hope-in-the-name-of-wealth/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Donkey Edge&lt;/a&gt;.  Hadn&#039;t seen that Monty Python film in a long time.  Love it!

You&#039;re site is now on my blog roll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SF,<br />
Great points. The political spectrum has moved so far to the right that the Dems today look like Republicans back in the 80s.  Here&#8217;s a good <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9t2YErecWg" rel="nofollow">video</a> by Cenk of TYT (filling in for Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC) on the rightward movement of both parties.</p>
<p>BTW, I liked your Glenn Beck article @ <a href="http://thedonkeyedge.com/2010/07/15/beck-u-2-hope-in-the-name-of-wealth/" rel="nofollow">The Donkey Edge</a>.  Hadn&#8217;t seen that Monty Python film in a long time.  Love it!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re site is now on my blog roll.</p>
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		<title>By: SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Stan. I like your site as well and have added it to our blog roll. 

I also read your &quot;War of Words&quot; post and couldn&#039;t agree more. My biz partner and I have been in the entertainment/advertising business for years and have watched in horror as time and again the Democrats have failed to refute Republican lies and memes and have inexplicably chosen instead to adopt conservative frames in the misguided belief that moving further and further to the right will endear themselves to the voters. 

Harry S. Truman once said: &quot;Give the people a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who talks like a Republican and they’ll choose the Republican every time.&quot; Sage advice that the current establishment Dems would be wise to heed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Stan. I like your site as well and have added it to our blog roll. </p>
<p>I also read your &#8220;War of Words&#8221; post and couldn&#8217;t agree more. My biz partner and I have been in the entertainment/advertising business for years and have watched in horror as time and again the Democrats have failed to refute Republican lies and memes and have inexplicably chosen instead to adopt conservative frames in the misguided belief that moving further and further to the right will endear themselves to the voters. </p>
<p>Harry S. Truman once said: &#8220;Give the people a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who talks like a Republican and they’ll choose the Republican every time.&#8221; Sage advice that the current establishment Dems would be wise to heed.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks SF.  The Left is politically inept.  They don&#039;t seem to understand that the history accepted by the masses is most often formulated by the things repeated over and over (regardless of whether those things are fact or fiction).  

The Left thinks that just because the historic facts show that Republican policies are abysmal failures that that automatically translates into public awareness.  Unfortunately, the ones who spout lies over and over again (the GOP) tends to rewrite history in the public consciousness.  

When the GOP accuse the Dems of constantly bringing up George W. Bush (which they rarely do considering all the calamity he unleashed on us and the world) it&#039;s because they know that if they can dissuade the Dems from shining a light on how W&#039;s failures translate into today&#039;s spending, then the Dems will lose the war of words. Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alterpolitics.com/politics/war-of-words-why-failed-theories-like-reaganomics-continue-to-linger/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; I wrote on this very topic.

By the way, I like your site The Donkey Edge.  This is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://thedonkeyedge.com/2010/07/16/meg-lies-and-videotape/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;great post&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks SF.  The Left is politically inept.  They don&#8217;t seem to understand that the history accepted by the masses is most often formulated by the things repeated over and over (regardless of whether those things are fact or fiction).  </p>
<p>The Left thinks that just because the historic facts show that Republican policies are abysmal failures that that automatically translates into public awareness.  Unfortunately, the ones who spout lies over and over again (the GOP) tends to rewrite history in the public consciousness.  </p>
<p>When the GOP accuse the Dems of constantly bringing up George W. Bush (which they rarely do considering all the calamity he unleashed on us and the world) it&#8217;s because they know that if they can dissuade the Dems from shining a light on how W&#8217;s failures translate into today&#8217;s spending, then the Dems will lose the war of words. Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.alterpolitics.com/politics/war-of-words-why-failed-theories-like-reaganomics-continue-to-linger/" rel="nofollow">post</a> I wrote on this very topic.</p>
<p>By the way, I like your site The Donkey Edge.  This is a <a href="http://thedonkeyedge.com/2010/07/16/meg-lies-and-videotape/" rel="nofollow">great post</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post. I couldn&#039;t agree more that the left needs to do a much better job educating the public on the absolute failure that is supply-side (or trickle-down) economics. 

I have tried to do the same thing - explode right-wing myths about tax cuts for the wealthy spurring economic growth and the hypocrisy on the right that deficit reduction is priority number one when they were the ones to create it. 

http://bit.ly/cYNEky]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I couldn&#8217;t agree more that the left needs to do a much better job educating the public on the absolute failure that is supply-side (or trickle-down) economics. </p>
<p>I have tried to do the same thing &#8211; explode right-wing myths about tax cuts for the wealthy spurring economic growth and the hypocrisy on the right that deficit reduction is priority number one when they were the ones to create it. </p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/cYNEky" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cYNEky</a></p>
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		<title>By: Political Irony &#8250; When at first you don&#8217;t succeed, lie, lie again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Irony &#8250; When at first you don&#8217;t succeed, lie, lie again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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